DEFINIÇÃO da Vomma A taxa em que a vega de uma opção reagirá à volatilidade no mercado subjacente. É o derivado de segunda ordem do valor da opção em relação à volatilidade. Isso demonstra a convexidade da vega. Um valor positivo para o vomma indica que um aumento de ponto percentual na volatilidade resultará em um valor de opção aumentado, conhecido como convexa de vega positiva. Vomma faz parte do grupo de medidas conhecidas como os gregos (outras medidas incluem delta, gamma e vega) que são usadas no preço das opções. ROCANDO Vomma Vomma é considerado um dos mais importantes preços de preços gregos, especialmente para opções que são sensíveis a mudanças no mercado subjacente. Os investidores com opções longas devem procurar um valor alto e positivo para o vomma, enquanto os investidores com opções curtas devem procurar um negativo. Também é útil em uma estratégia de hedge delta de acordo com métodos tradicionais, mas é menos útil em hedge de delta dinâmico. Os cálculos da Vomma fazem parte integrante do modelo de Black-Scholes. Glen Jensen lança o Uprize A Forex MLM Glen Jensen, ex-CEO e fundador da Agel, veja nossa entrevista. Está lançando a Uprize, uma empresa de MLM baseada no Forex. O escritório corporativo estará em Utah 8211 USA (9890 South 300 West, Sandy, UT 84070) Glen Jensen: quotUprize não é apenas uma empresa, um programa ou um produto ndash é um movimento. Pessoas em todo o mundo estão percebendo que não podem mais confiar no seu futuro financeiro para os banqueiros, corretores e o eliterdquo ldquoeconômico. É hora de juntar-se ao movimento e assumir a responsabilidade pela sua liberdade financeira. que transformamos a proposta de valor de marketing direto na sua cabeça. Embora a maioria das empresas de marketing direto inicie seus preços para cobrir seu plano de comissão de vários níveis, a Uprize fez exatamente o contrário. Nossos acordos exclusivos com os principais fornecedores nos permitem oferecer um feed de dados institucional completo, o sistema Intellitrader Uprize e treinamento profissional em uma fração do custo de produtos comparáveis, criando um valor irrissível para nossos membros. QuotUprize projetou um plano de compensação agressivo Isso torna mais fácil para os iniciantes fazerem ganhos significativos e, ao mesmo tempo, proporcionando recompensas enormes para o líder. Para se tornar um afiliado da Uprize e participar do Programa de Recompensas de Afiliados (um plano de compensação Uni-Level) você deve pagar uma taxa de afiliação anual De 49,99. Os pacotes de treinamento para o Programa de Recompensas de Afiliados são 199, 499 e 1.499 e requerem uma assinatura mensal de 39,99. Uprize Management TeamCiao ragazzi, sono distribuidor indiferente Vemma e vorrei apresentarvi il mio business. Sicuramente sapete che per fare il marketing de rede em Italia ci sono delle leggi da rispettare: ci vuole una sede italiana, um contratto de colaboração no rispetti le leggi italiane (tase, ritenuta, contributi.), Il tesserino di riconoscimento. Sono solo alcuni punti da considerare se si vuole fare lattivit di marketing de rede da noi. Tante imprese si fregano un bel niente di tutto questo e alla fine il colaboratore che resta per strada e desenvolvimento pagare le sanzioni. Noi di Vemma abbiamo considerato tutto questo, abbiamo a sede italiana e lavoriamo em modo serio e durevole. Uno dei nostri punti di forza che ci distingue dagli altri. Detto questo vi presento il sistema di Vemma. Eu sistemi di network che hanno preceduto Vemma funzionavano in questo modo: Una persona entra nel sistema, impara um lavorare e inserice tante gambe quanti sono i suoi collaboratori diretti. Questi a loro volta fanno la stessa cosa, ma senza collaborare tra loro. O negócio VEMMA totalmente diverso dai Network Marketing precedenti Una volta iscritta em Vemma una persona diventa cliente diretto di Vemma. Puce um questo ponto gestire gli ordini ed i pagamenti online atraveso il sito personale Brandpartner Vemma. Vemma ti d la possibilit di guadagnare aprendo centros de negócios devidos (detti gamba destra e gamba sinistra) em cui andremo ad inserire nuovi clienti (clienti consumatori, clienti attivi o Brandpartner). Il risultato che le persone sotto a te, traggono vantaggio dal lavoro fatto da te. E cos funziona per tutti. Tu compreso Trarrai vantaggio dal lavoro fatto dalla tua Upline (Sia da collaboratori vem anche da clienti. Di solito i clienti della tua Upline non ti portano niente). Inviato: Mar Ott 12, 2010 12:43 pm Registrato: 180910 18:43 Messaggi: 286 niente da dire al tuo lavoro MA não vedo niente di nuovo nel modo de criação de uma plataforma ou diciamo não é uma rede com uma rede de novidades Marketing ma la solita proceda afiliação e indecisão loro vir afiliado dandogli supporto. Poi la matrice puo essere em tanti modi quella di VEMMA em matrice BINARIA come fanno tanti altri NETWORK. Comunque buon lavoro e grazie per averci fato conoscere VEMMA (che gia conoscevo) Un Abbraccio Mauro Messina (redblack960) SKYPE. Email redblack960. Solamente gli utenti registrati possono vedere link su questo forum Registrati oppure Autenticati su questo forum. GUADAGNA CON IL TRADING SPORTIVO vieni ad impararlo nei nostri corsi CORSIONLINEGU gruppounitoworld CDT. 2500 e 1 DIAMNTE da 2000 ad ogni ciclo CI SIAMO TRASFERITI QUI: forum. forexup. biz5 Star Signals Review: Recrutamento e terceirização forex De acordo com os termos e condições de 5 Star Signals: Jurisdição e local de qualquer assunto não sujeito a arbitragem deve residir Na República da Irlanda. Dirigir 5 Star Signals é CEO Mariska van de Langenberg. De acordo com a revista Van de Langenberg8217s 5 Star Signals bio corporativa, possui mais de 25 anos de administração corporativa internacional e mais de 5 anos em marketing de rede. A Global One inicialmente lançou em 2012 como Ultimate Power Lucros e procurou aproveitar a mania de Ponzi do leilão Zeek Rewards no momento. Após o busto da SEC de recompensas da Zeek em agosto de 2012, a Global One abandonou os planos para lançar o seu leilão Ponzi. A empresa coxeou como uma oportunidade de recrutamento direto por mais um ano, antes de entrar em colapso inteiramente em meados de 2013. van de Langenberg ficou preso com a empresa até que a deixou para a Bonofa em maio de 2013. As filiais da Bonofa pagam uma taxa para se juntar e depois ganhar comissões Recrutando outros afiliados que fazem o mesmo. A empresa também executou um esquema de pontos de títulos não registrados, que supostamente estava vinculado a uma oferta de IPO. Passando por suas estatísticas de Alexa, Bonofa parece ter entrado em colapso no final do ano passado. Van de Langenberg parece ter saído quando Bonofa entrou em declínio, com 5 Star Signals lançando em meados de 2014. De acordo com o perfil de van de Langenberg8217s, ela é baseada em Amsterdã na Holanda. Isso sugere que 5 Star Signals está registrado na Irlanda apenas com o nome. Leia mais para uma revisão completa da oportunidade de negócio 5 Star Signals MLM. A 5 Star Signals Product Line 5 Star Signals não tem produtos ou serviços vendidos a varejo, e afiliados só conseguem comercializar a própria adesão 5 Star Signals. O Plano de Compensação de Sinais de 5 Estrelas O plano de compensação de 5 Star Signals vê os afiliados pagar uma taxa e então receber o pagamento para recrutar outros que fazem o mesmo. As comissões residuais são pagáveis se as filiais investir fundos com corretores terceirizados, 5 Star Signals se inscreveram como afiliados. Comissões Residuais As comissões residuais em 5 Star Signals são pagas através de uma estrutura de compensação da matriz 1021510. Uma matriz 1021510 coloca um afiliado no topo da matriz, com dez posições diretamente debaixo delas. Essas dez posições formam o primeiro nível da matriz, com o segundo nível da matriz gerada dividindo cada uma das dez posições de primeiro nível em outras dez posições cada (100 posições). Desta forma, cada nível subsequente da matriz é gerado, para um total de 11,1 bilhões de posições. Dado que isso é mais do que a população da Terra, 5 Star Signals prontamente revela. Não faça ilusões, você nunca poderá preencher essa matriz. Isso exigiria 10 bilhões de pessoas em seu 10º nível e isso nunca acontecerá. Por que, em seguida, 5 Star Signals estão usando uma estrutura de matriz que eles sabem que os afiliados não podem preencher não está claro. Em qualquer caso, as comissões são pagas como uma porcentagem das taxas de pagamento da filial quando se inscrevem da seguinte forma: nível 1 8211 12 nível 2 8211 34 nível 3 8211 8 nível 4 8211 6 nível 5 8211 4 níveis 6 e 7 8211 2 nível 8 8211 3 nível 9 8211 4 nível 10 8211 5 Observe que, como afiliados são cobrados taxas mensalmente, os pagamentos acima da comissão também são recorrentes mensais. Comissões de corretores Se os sinais de 5 estrelas forem negociados, a empresa cobra uma comissão de corretor. 60 daquela comissão são pagos como comissões em dois níveis de recrutamento (unilevel). 40 é pago em comissões geradas pelo comércio de afiliados contratados pessoalmente recrutados e 20 de seus recrutas (seu nível 2). Comissões de negociação automatizadas Usando a mesma estrutura de compensação de unilevel usada nas comissões de corretores, as filiais de 5 Star Signals também podem ganhar comissões de terceiro nível em ganhos de negociação automatizados. Fundos investidos por afiliados de 3º nível é superior a 250,000 3 comissões em fundos de lucro negociados de nível terceiro investidos por afiliadas de 3º nível é superior a 500,000 5 comissões em fundos de lucro negociado de terceiro nível investidos por afiliadas de 3º nível é superior a 1.000.000 7 comissões em terceiro Ganhos de negociação automatizados de nível Pessoal Global Pool O Pool Global Pessoal é composto por 1 dos fundos inteiros pagos em 5 Star Signals por afiliados. O pool é pago trimestralmente, com afiliados capazes de se qualificar para ações no pool acumulando pontos: recrute um afiliado Copper 1 ponto recrute um afiliado Bronze 2 pontos recrute um filial Silver 5 pontos recrute um afiliado Gold 10 pontos Por cada 100 pontos e O afiliado gera, eles são premiados com uma participação no pool pessoal global. Team Global Pool O Team Global Pool também é composto por 1 dos fundos inteiros pagos em 5 Star Signals por afiliados. O Team Global Pool também é pago trimestralmente, com as ações alocadas com base nos esforços de recrutamento de uma downline do affiliate8217s: afiliado de cobre recrutado 0,5 pontos Bronze afiliado recrutado 1 ponto Silver afiliado recrutado 3 pontos Gold afiliado recrutou 5 pontos novamente, por cada 100 pontos acumulados Uma parte é alocada no Team Global Pool. Juntando 5 Star Signals A adesão afiliada com 5 Star Signals é 10 mais um dos seguintes: Cobre 8211 7 por mês (não MLM) Bronze 8211 27 por mês Prata 8211 197 por mês Ouro 8211 497 por mês Todas as afiliadas de 5 Star Signals também são Cobrado 20 anualmente. Conclusão Trading Forex, ativamente ou passivamente, agora disponível para as massas O problema com qualquer coisa passiva no MLM é que tipicamente constitui a oferta de uma segurança. As empresas MLM don8217t se inscrevem com os reguladores de valores mobiliários apropriados (a SEC nos EUA, por exemplo) e, portanto, se envolvem na oferta de títulos não registrados. 5 Star Signals parecem ser culpados disso, pois não consegui encontrar nenhuma indicação de que eles se registraram na SEC ou em qualquer outro regulador de valores mobiliários para esse assunto. Partindo a oferta de valores mobiliários, 5 Star Signals solicitam investimentos mínimos de 500 em corretores de terceiros: 5 Star Strategy With No Multiplier 8211 depósito mínimo de 1.000, depósitos adicionais possíveis e visando aprox. 3 ganhos em média por mês. Estratégia de 5 estrelas com x3 Multiplicador 8211 depósito mínimo de 500, depósitos adicionais possíveis e visando 9-10 ganhos em média por mês. Estratégia de 5 estrelas com x5 Multiplicador 8211 depósito mínimo de 1.000, depósitos adicionais possíveis e visando 15 ganhos em média por mês. Brokers de terceiros ou não, that8217s o que é anunciado no site 5 Star Signals. E o ROI 8220aims8221 no site 5 Star Signals parece ser um balanço de pseudo-conformidade, com van de Langenberg publicamente anunciando ROIs garantidos no Facebook (27 de agosto de 2015): agora e se isso puder mudar8230.onde 100 dos membros podem ganhar dinheiro Com o dinheiro fazendo produtos Forex (sem que eles ainda tenham que aprender Forex para negociar) 8230.so o fracasso é retirado do equasion (sic), cool isn8217t it O resto do plano de compensação de 5 Star Signals reflete o que Mariska van de Langenberg estava participando da Global One e da Bonofa, que era o recrutamento de cadeias. Você se inscreve, paga uma taxa e depois paga-se para recrutar outros que fazem o mesmo. Isso por si só constitui um esquema de pirâmide, com a oferta de títulos não registrados uma bandeira vermelha de conformidade adicional. Problemas de fraude Ponzi também surgem após a consideração de como o anunciado 3 a 15 8220aimed8221 ROIs por mês são gerados. No papel it8217s supostamente através do forex, mas se os fundos recém-investidos só estiverem sendo arrastados para pagar os investidores existentes, então todos nós estamos olhando aqui é um híbrido da piramide Ponzi. E dada a história de MLM de van de Langenberg8217, isso não me surpreenderia. De acordo com uma publicação no Facebook por van de Langenberg datada de 30 de setembro de 2015: promovi oportunidades que se transformaram em fraudes no passado e foram até mesmo um topleader em um esquema de pirâmide baseado em produtos que ainda continua. É tão fácil apontar um dedo e jogar o jogo de culpa para um líder, para um upline. BUT82308230, ninguém o forçou a se inscrever, todos conseguiram fazer sua própria diligência, fazer uma verificação de sanidade em um plano de negócios. Você se juntou e você se juntou voluntariamente por razões que só você conhece. Assuma essa responsabilidade (sic) e admita que você fez um trabalho ruim ou talvez nem nenhum trabalho na pesquisa de um opp e de proprietários antes de se juntar. Você também é muito culpado. Com 5 Star Signals, a cultura da fraude de culpa de vítimas provavelmente continuará. Na melhor das hipóteses, você está olhando para um esquema de pirâmide anexado a corretores terceirizados questionáveis. Na pior das hipóteses, um esquema de pirâmide anexado a uma fraude Ponzi completa. Abordagem com extrema cautela. Não tenho a certeza de como citar o artigo, mas as questões de fraude de Ponzi também surgem após a consideração de como os 3 a 15 direcionados ROIs por mês são gerados. No papel, é supostamente através do forex, mas se os fundos recém-investidos estão sendo arrasados para pagar os investidores existentes, então todos estavam olhando aqui é um híbrido da pirâmide Ponzi. Eu presumi que você nunca olhou para o gerenciamento de dinheiro PAMM, a idéia de ser um ponzi é um equívoco bastante comum de pessoas fora do Forex. Por favor, leia isso e deixe-me saber se você gosta de mais explicações. Os fundos dos clientes são sempre mantidos sob seu próprio nome em corretores licenciados e eles permitem que eles sejam anexados com uma conta mestre. Os alvos 8220aimed8221 para são médias aritméticas (também fornecemos médias geométricas que é o que os investidores tendem a olhar, mas as pessoas menos experientes têm problemas para entender a média geométrica) com base em resultados anteriores. Estamos prestes a lançar uma nova parceria de corretagem com um corretor que tenha sido liberado da administração dos fundos de aposentadoria pela ASIC (seja você achar que isso é questionável ou não é subjetivo, mas o ASIC é amplamente considerado como um dos reguladores mais difíceis de obter um Passa e mostra que o corretor passou alguma diligência). Aqui estão algumas das contas de negociação ao vivo, onde você pode ver cada comércio feito 8211, cada estatística única é dada. Estes são resultados publicados pela terceira parte da negociação real. (Se você não sabe o que são o Myfxbook e o FX Blue, os Google). Estas são duas contas em que a estratégia estava em execução antes de ser oferecida para gerenciamento de dinheiro. Aqui estão versões mais agressivas que funcionam com o dinheiro dos investidores (até agora, todo o portfólio 5SS retornou em torno de 160 e todos os negócios que compuseram esse retorno podem ser vistos aqui, assim como todos os negócios no futuro). Deixe-me saber se, uma vez que você pesquisou essas coisas, você concorda que é impossível que este seja um ponzi (uma vez que 5SS nunca em nenhum momento toma um único dólar de dinheiro de investidores). Uma vez que estabelecemos, todo mundo entende o modelo usado para administrar o dinheiro no FX, então podemos seguir em frente para discutir o negócio em geral. (Por favor, note que esses links podem ser marcados para que você possa verificar os resultados a cada poucos meses 8211, eles serão sempre publicados publicamente): os links acima cobrem todos os fundos investidos nos PAMM de varejo 5SS. Eles contam para cada dólar de investimento. 1. Você aceita fundos de investidores dos EUA 2. Você está registrado na SEC 3. Se não, por que não 4. O que é sobre o esquema de piramide - componente de recrutamento do negócio 1,2 3 e todos estão cobertos por nós não Aceitando investimento diretamente de qualquer pessoa. Seria ilegal e também seria dores de cabeça desnecessárias quando se tratar de ter que proteger os fundos. We8217d tem que configurar nossas próprias contas bancárias segregadas para manter fundos de clientes e tal. Toda a infra-estrutura já está em vigor e o PAMM é usado para gerenciar bilhões nos mercados de câmbio. 4 8211 Como eu entendo um esquema de pirâmide, e corrija-me se eu estiver errado, eu sou um cara de Forex, não um cara de MLM, o esquema colapsa sob seu próprio peso, a menos que você traga novas pessoas, você não pode ser pago. Este não é um requisito para o PAMM, as pessoas podem se juntar e investir e ganhar dinheiro, they8217d fizeram 20-30 durante o último trimestre (veja os resultados comerciais verificados para comprovar isso) Como eu entendo um esquema de pirâmide O que você entende uma pirâmide O plano a ser é irrelevante. Os afiliados de 5 Star Signals pagam uma taxa e são pagos para recrutar outros que fazem o mesmo. Este é o recrutamento de cadeias e se qualifica como um esquema de pirâmide. Dentro desse contexto específico, o PAMM não está nem aqui nem lá. E sim, você pode ir ao site dos corretores e abrir um PAMM com um dos muitos gerentes do PAMM. Para estar ligado aos comerciantes que disponibilizamos, você precisa de uma associação conosco. Abrir um PAMM é fácil, porém, 1.000 pessoas vão fazer isso todos os dias. E sim, você pode ir ao site dos corretores e abrir um PAMM Não se desejar participar da oportunidade MLM 5 Star Signals. A participação da afiliada exige investir através de links fornecidos por 5 Star Signals. 5 Star Signals estão solicitando investimentos de suas afiliadas. Então, eu devo pedir novamente, você aceita fundos dos EUA. Se assim for, você está cadastrado no SEC. Se não, por que não eu poderia me preocupar menos com o PAMM em geral, isso é dentro do contexto específico do que é oferecido através da oportunidade de negócios 5 Star Signals8217 MLM . Oz. Não se você deseja participar da oportunidade MLM 5 Star Signals. A participação da afiliada exige investir através de links fornecidos por 5 Star Signals. 5 Star Signals estão solicitando investimentos de suas afiliadas. Podemos definir 8220investment8221 aqui, por favor, comprar uma associação não é um investimento. Os retornos não são pagos em associações. Podemos definir o investimento aqui, por favor, 5 Star Signals fazendo uma oferta que, se os fundos forem investidos através da empresa, os ROI mensais de até 15 são anunciados. Eu tenho que investir através de uma conta criada através de 5 Star Signals, ergo a empresa está solicitando investimentos na expectativa de ROIs anunciados. Isso constitui uma oferta de valores mobiliários, que nos EUA exige o registro da SEC. As tarifas de afiliados de 5 Star Signals fazem parte do esquema de pirâmide de recrutamento de cadeias, ninguém disse que foram investidos fundos. Oz. 5 Star Signals fazendo uma oferta que, se os fundos forem investidos através da empresa, os ROI mensais de até 15 são anunciados. Eu tenho que investir através de uma conta criada através de 5 Star Signals, ergo a empresa está solicitando investimentos na expectativa de ROIs anunciados. Isso constitui uma oferta de valores mobiliários, que nos EUA exige o registro da SEC. As tarifas de afiliados de 5 Star Signals fazem parte do esquema de pirâmide de recrutamento de cadeias, ninguém disse que foram investidos fundos. Não, você abre sua própria conta de corretagem, criada através de você. É sua conta e mantida sob seu nome. Você então tem a opção de vinculá-lo com nossa conta mestre para que os negócios que fazemos também sejam alocados na sua conta de investidores. Em nenhum momento do tempo, o 5SS já tem acesso a fundos de clientes ou leva investimentos deles. Não, você abre sua própria conta de corretagem, criada através de você. Não, você não é. De acordo com os 5 Star Signals FAQ: Posso acessar o site dos corretores para abrir um número de conta PAMM. Para solicitar uma conta PAMM no gerenciamento de dinheiro de 5 Star Signals, você precisa usar o link disponível apenas para nossos membros. Aplicar diretamente em um site de corretores irá obter uma conta PAMM que NÃO pode ser conectada à Estratégia de 5 estrelas. Se você deseja participar da oportunidade MLM 5 Star Signals, você precisa passar por 5 Star Signals. Assim, 5 Star Signals estão solicitando investimentos de seus afiliados. Essas solicitações são feitas com a promessa de ROIs mensais projetados, constituindo uma oferta de valores mobiliários. Onde você esconde o dinheiro é irrelevante, com 5 Star Signals claramente a parte solicitando investimento. E, dada a dança que está fazendo, eu simplesmente vou em frente e ligue para isso: 5 Star Signals não estão registrados na SEC e, portanto, estão envolvidos na oferta de títulos não registrados. Do lado, você também possui um esquema de pirâmide de recrutamento de cadeias. Obrigado pelo seu tempo. Deixarei alguém para discutir isso, já que vamos dar uma volta em círculos. Meu objetivo principal era identificar claramente e além de qualquer sombra de dúvida que não é um esquema Ponzi e que todos os resultados comerciais podem ser rastreados e verificados. Um ponto final que vale a pena fazer, embora você tenha citado as associações como Copper 7 (não MLM) Bronze 27 Silver 197 Gold 497 Este é realmente Copper 7 (não MLM) Bronze 27 Silver 197 (não MLM) Gold 497 (não MLM) Somente a associação de bronze tem algum benefício para os afiliados. As outras associações estão vendendo produtos e serviços puramente de varejo. Quando citamos nossos retornos potenciais, sempre fazemos isso, juntamente com as retiradas históricas, para que as pessoas saibam o que estão entrando. Como você nunca aludiu a riscos na negociação, eu deveria acrescentar isso. Em nossa estratégia atual, oferecemos multiplicadores que possuem as seguintes estatísticas normais. Redução máxima de 5.2, ganho de 2 anos de 97. 3 multiplicadores. 25 redução máxima, ganho de 2 anos de 250. 5 multiplicadores. 37 redução máxima, ganho de 2 anos de 650. 7 multiplicadores. 50 extrações máximas, ganho de 2 anos de 1.440 Silver 197 (não MLM) Ouro 497 (não MLM) Então, os membros da Prata e do Ouro não ganham comissões em nenhuma circunstância. Atualize a revisão se esse for o caso, mas primeiro você pode explicar o porquê? Os estados do plano de compensação de 5 Star Signals (com respeito aos comitês da matriz): as anulações da Comissão pagam o mesmo, independentemente de ser um Bronze, Prata ou Ouro. Para se qualificar você deve ser um parceiro afiliado em um nível de associação Bronze ou superior. Isso certamente parece que as filiais de Silver e Gold ganham comissões para mim. Quando citamos nossos retornos potenciais, sempre fazemos isso, juntamente com as retiradas históricas, para que as pessoas saibam o que estão entrando. O fato de que os retornos potenciais são anunciados constitui uma oferta de valores mobiliários (os ROIs são passivos, tudo o que um afiliado faz é investir fundos). Isso é um dos problemas aqui, considerando que 5 Star Signals não estão registrados na SEC (ou qualquer outro regulador de valores mobiliários para esse assunto). Oz. Então, os membros da Prata e do Ouro não ganham comissões em nenhuma circunstância. Atualizei a revisão se for esse o caso, mas primeiro você pode explicar por que o Plano de compensação de 5 Star Signals indica (com respeito a comissões de matrizes): Se você pudesse atualizar a revisão para Adicione os riscos de redução e os links para os resultados das estratégias de negociação verificadas e substitua isso por referências de ponzi ou supostamente operações de forex que melhorariam as coisas. Aludindo aos esquemas de ponzi quando fornecemos links verificados do Myfxbook, vários locais prejudicam sua revisão para ser amigo sincero. Se você pudesse modificar a revisão de forma gentil para adicionar os riscos de redução e os links para os resultados das estratégias de negociação verificadas e substituir isso por referências de ponzi ou supostamente negociação de divisas que tornariam as coisas melhores. Aludindo aos esquemas de ponzi quando fornecemos links verificados do Myfxbook, vários locais prejudicam sua revisão para ser amigo sincero. Eu acredito que eu levantei preocupações legítimas. Quem disse que esses comerciantes do ROI de 15 por mês não arrastam fundos recém-investidos para pagar os investidores existentes. Você mesmo, certamente, não pode garantir tanto. Nem 5 Star Signals podem não ser o som das coisas. E então, o que, você estava mentindo sobre as filiais da Prata e do Ouro, não ganhando comissões. Entre isso e o esquema da pirâmide, não havia muita coisa para ter certeza sobre isso. Oz. Eu acredito que eu levantei preocupações legítimas. Quem disse que esses comerciantes do ROI de 15 por mês não arrastam fundos recém-investidos para pagar os investidores existentes. Você certamente não pode garantir tanto. Nem 5 Star Signals podem não ser o som das coisas. Eu concordo que suas preocupações são completamente legítimas e algo que eu discuto com as pessoas muitas vezes. Desde então, eu forneci um link para o modelo de PAMM e links para resultados de negociação de terceiros verificados, todos de sites de autoridade 5SS não tem nada a ver com isso. A simples diligência a partir daqui prova que é absolutamente impossível para nós barajar os fundos dos clientes em relação a 8211, nunca podendo acessar um único dólar. É sempre mantido sob o nome do cliente8217s. 5SS nunca leva fundos de investimento para clientes. Olhe para este modelo para que possamos esclarecer esse mal-entendido e passar para outros pontos. Se é ou não um ponzi é não-objetivo. Desde então, eu forneci um link para o modelo de PAMM e links para resultados de negociação de terceiros verificados, todos de sites de autoridade 5SS não tem nada a ver com isso. Você e 5 Star Signals podem estar dispostos a apostar sua credibilidade em reclamações de terceiros, I8217m não. Se 5 Star Signals verificaram pessoalmente os próprios negócios alegados, ou melhor, ainda os conduziram, induziriam-se a manter a empresa em sua palavra. Terceiros que não têm nada a ver com a oportunidade MLM. Não é uma chance. Se é ou não um ponzi é não-objetivo. Você é o único que continua a falar sobre isso. I8217ve identificou as preocupações não registradas de planos de valores mobiliários e pirâmide, as quais não são atendidas. Então, tudo o que eu estou perguntando é que você atualiza a revisão para ser exato. Dizer 5SS usar um modelo PAMM e aqui estão os links para os resultados verificados. Então, tudo o que eu estou perguntando é que você atualiza a revisão para ser exato. Dizer 5SS usar um modelo PAMM e aqui estão os links para os resultados verificados. A revisão é precisa. Os resultados PAMM podem ser confundidos, e I8217m não está prestes a reivindicar o contrário, você mesmo, nem 5 Star Signals pode verificar que isso não está acontecendo. Esta é uma das quedas de confiança de terceiros em uma oportunidade MLM. E quando 15 meses, os ROIs são promovidos 8211 para ignorar potenciais problemas de Ponzi, ou nem mesmo reconhecê-los é irresponsável. Algum desses corretores terceirizados é registrado com o SEC (min 12 meses) Oz, procure Myfxbook e veja o que é companheiro. Eu entendo you8217re usado para lidar com Shams e pode não entender as etapas tomadas pelo Myfxbook para verificar uma conta de negociação, nem você estará ciente de como eles são amplamente utilizados, um nome familiar ou tipos entre pessoas do setor. Você está pedindo 5SS para verificar os resultados, isso é exatamente o que o Myfxbook faz, ele fornece os resultados em uma forma que não pode ser manipulada. Veja aqui 8211 myfxbookhelphelp34 I8217m não interessado em Myfxbook (outro terceiro). 5 Star Signals não podem garantir que os terceiros que lidam não estão usando fundos recém-investidos para pagar os investidores existentes, com a melodia anunciada 15 ROIs por mês. São alguns dos corretores terceirizados que 5 Star Signals usam registrados com a SEC (min 12 meses) (Ozedit: Stop link dumping. Terceiros que verificam terceiros não são convincentes para ninguém. E eu aceito que ninguém esteja registrado na SEC. Bloody Inferno no contexto de uma oportunidade de MLM, o que é um caos de conformidade que tudo isso é.) Para colocar o problema de verificação de terceiros em contexto. Vocês obtiveram investimentos lançados em um terceiro, que afirmam ser legítimo, com a única evidência como tal sendo outra terceira parte. Quem reivindica isso com base nas informações fornecidas pelo primeiro grupo de terceiros. E, claro, apesar das ofertas de valores mobiliários ser feitas à esquerda, à direita e ao centro 8211, ninguém está registrado na SEC. Mas uh sim, absolutamente nenhuma chance de 15 por mês ROI Ponzi shenanigans indo aqui. Riiiiiiiiiight. E eu mencionei que o esquema da pirâmide não foi feito. Além disso, a assinatura de afiliados com 5 Star Signals é 10 mais uma das seguintes: Cobre 7 (não MLM) Bronze 27 Prata 197 Ouro 497 são pagamentos mensais. Então, os sinais de 5 estrelas não são senão um esquema de pirâmide que vende adesões, com algum produto de terceiros não relacionado. Isso não é diferente de todas as 8216travel MLMs 8217 e 8216 opções binárias de negociação MLMs8217 que vendem associações e ou 8216education8217 etiquetadas em um produto de terceiros. Afiliados em sinais de 5 estrelas podem continuar pagando em seus 8216 pessoais qualificados8217 autoship todos os meses e continuar recebendo comissões em um sistema de recrutamento de cadeias. A negociação forex pode não existir para todos eles se importam com o estranho que o CEO Langenberg tenha mencionado 8216vemma8217 em seu ebook sobre o cumprimento do MLM, porque ela está empregando o mesmo sistema de auto-atendimento auto-qualificado como vemma e, em seguida, propondo que 5SS seja 8216compliant8217. E olá craig, o que é o varejo onde é a margem de varejo para o varejo também, na FB, o langenberg está promovendo 5SS como uma oportunidade de MLM, então é óbvio que os três níveis de membros mais baixos são todos MLM. Ou Craig é bullshitting ou não compreende o lado MLM do negócio. Eu não sei muito sobre negociação forex, mas é possível para qualquer oportunidade de negociação ser capaz de prometer 15 ROI8217s por mês, se a negociação fosse tão livre de risco e pudesse prometer retornos tão altos, o mundo inteiro estaria fazendo isso, certo fede aqui. Oz: para colocar o problema de verificação de terceiros em contexto. Você obteve investimentos lançados em um terceiro, que afirmam ser legítimo, com a única evidência como tal sendo outra terceira parte. Quem reivindica isso com base nas informações fornecidas pelo primeiro grupo de terceiros. E, claro, apesar de as ofertas de valores mobiliários serem feitas à esquerda, à direita e ao centro, ninguém está registrado na SEC. Mas uh sim, absolutamente nenhuma chance de 15 por mês ROI Ponzi shenanigans indo aqui. Riiiiiiiiiight. E eu mencionei que o esquema de pirâmide está sendo recrutado por recrutamento. Não há nada que eu esteja começando a me perguntar se você está procurando fazer uma revisão objetiva e objetiva aqui. Sempre fui um fã de seu trabalho, mas isso me preocupa que você ainda está falando muito alto sobre as chances de ser um ponzi. A segregação de fundos torna isso impossível. I8217d gostaria de também apontar os números que você cita são médias em alguns anos. O 822015 por mês8221 varia de -20 no pior mês a 67 no melhor mês. Qualquer coisa próxima a um fluxo constante de resultados como 15 é improvável no extremo. É uma média geométrica. Blah blah blah, ofertas de títulos não registrados, 15 ROI mensais anunciados oferecidos por terceiros, CEO da empresa que faz reivindicações de renda garantida no Facebook e problemas de regime de pirâmide. Sinto falta de tudo, sempre fiquei entusiasmado com o seu trabalho, mas isso me preocupa que você ainda está falando muito alto sobre as chances de ser um ponzi. Sim, todos são fãs do BehindMLM até analisar sua oportunidade. I8217m não está dizendo com certeza 5 Star Signals8217 corretores estão envolvidos em fraude Ponzi, nunca fez. Apenas para ter em mente a possibilidade, uma vez que a empresa se baseia em verificação de terceiros. Os próprios sinais de 5 estrelas não são negociados, eles só solicitam investimentos em corretores de terceiros 8211, nenhum dos quais parece estar registrado na SEC (nem os 5 Star Signals). E aí, um esquema de pirâmide flagrante, ninguém parece disposto a abordar8230. Alguns resultados da estratégia de baixo risco, para ilustração. A média aqui é de 2,6 por mês, mas é baseada em uma média de ganhos e perdas. Vitória real e perdas. Este PAMM começou como um preconceito simples com base em muito tempo olhando Ponzis. É algo comum. Ainda estar aludindo a essa possibilidade agora é apenas optar por não fazer a devida diligência no que você denuncia. De acordo com o site do 5 Star Signals: Depósito mínimo de 1,000 Depósitos adicionais possíveis Com o objetivo de aprox. 3 gains on average per month Minimum Deposit of 500 Additional deposits possible Aiming for 9-10 gains on average per month Minimum Deposit of 1,000 Additional deposits possible Aiming for 15 gains on average per month There8217s nothing about 2.6 a month or 8220average wins and losses8221. This PAMM thing started off because you mentioned it, and continue to use it to divert attention away from 5 Star Signals unregistered securities and pyramid scheme compliance issues. 8220PAMM8221 was not mentioned once in the review. Craig . The 15 a month ranges from -20 on the worst month to 67 on the best month. so, losses over say three months, could wipe out most of the capital invested by an investor affiliate in PAMM, which means they will have to reinvest 8216more funds8217 to hopefully earn 15 average over two years or so. this is how people lose money in trading, they do not have extra funds to reinvest in the hope for future gains. they drop out with their losses. anjali . so, losses over say three months, could wipe out most of the capital invested by an investor affiliate in PAMM, which means they will have to reinvest more funds to hopefully earn 15 average over two years or so. this is how people lose money in trading, they do not have extra funds to reinvest in the hope for future gains. they drop out with their losses. Anjali, thank you. We are now talking about relative points. You are also absolutely correct. Most people lose money if the drawdowns are too high and if the accounts don8217t get back to high water mark. On our highest risk strategy the maximum loss we have seen so far is 50 and it is now at record highs. We capped it at 50 since after that you start to get into losers arithmetic where 100 is needed just to get back to level. The average given is geometric so it accounts for the losses as well. I don8217t want Oz to think I am link dumping again but to learn about geometric averaging against arithmetic averaging just google both words along with 8220investopedia8221. If I was to do it by arithmetic averaging (which would become misleading since it does not account for a 50 DD) the average would be about 68 a month. (1,440 gain divided by 21 months of trading) 5 Star is a membership scheme where you pay a monthly fee to get access to their trading strategies, Pammm accs and education. That8217s their product If you choose to refer it then you you get paid on the people you bring in who buy the memberships too. The money you put in for trading is in segregated brokers funds. You can withdraw the capital and profits at anytime. Why is this a pyramid or ponzi anjali . it does not matter whether the trades are real or not. these trades are not performed by 5SS. take a deep breath craig, and address the pyramid issue. As soon as can all agree that there are real trades being made, investors money is held under their name and there is no way we can manipulate the funds in a Ponzi like fashion we can discuss other things. Surely, whether or not there is a profitable trading strategy at the base of everything is the first thing to address. Referring back again to the 8220losses over 3 months8221 part, because this is really a great point. A metric we use to track results is the maximum historic drawdown (hereon referred to as 8220DD8221) vrs the average monthly gain. This gives us an expectation based on averages how long it will take to recover from a maximum drawdown. Technical terms used for this is calculating risk of ruin. You can see the risk of ruin stats on our 3 strategy here. If you choose to refer it then you you get paid on the people you bring in who buy the memberships too. Affiliates paying a fee and getting paid to recruit affiliates pyramid scheme. Whatever is attached to said fee is irrelevant when affiliates are required to pay said fee to qualify for commissions. It8217s chain-recruitment any way you look at it, and in MLM that8217s a pyramid scheme. Craig . As soon as can all agree that there are real trades being made, investors money is held under their name and there is no way we can manipulate the funds in a Ponzi like fashion we can discuss other things. it is not imperative to have 8216agreement8217. it is enough that everyone has placed their viewpoint on record. now move along and address the 8216pyramid8217 part. Craig . Surely, whether or not there is a profitable trading strategy at the base of everything is the first thing to address. if 5SS is providing the 8216profitable trading strategy8217 then investors are putting funds in PAMM on your 8216expertise8217. 5SS is thus responsible for the returns investors make, whether or not the money is directly invested with 5SS. this in turn, means 5SS needs to be registered with the SEC in the US or their equivalent in other countries. anjali . it is not imperative to have agreement. it is enough that everyone has placed their viewpoint on record. now move along and address the pyramid part. I disagree with you here. The model used has a significant effect on the conflict or alignment of interests and thus should be clarified. If 5SS was indeed just sweet talking Peter to pay Paul then there would cynical foreplanning to rip people off at some point. If it is based on real trading results (strategies 5SS also has its own money in) then all interests are aligned with it being in 5SS8217s best self interest to have stability and longevity in its offerings. Which one of these is the case determines if the tone used in this article is correct. This article has set up Mariska as a baddie due to her previous businesses and goes on to say 8220With 5 Star Signals the culture of victim-blaming fraud will likely continue.8221 Under the PAMM model where funds security and transparency of trading results is very much in the forefront it tells a tale of Mariska learning from mistakes she made and looking to bring a viable alternative based on real results. Very fundamental thing to clear up to make sure at the very least, the review is factual. Craig : Can we define investment here please Buying a membership is not an investment. The returns are not paid on memberships. Investment When you pay money to a third party, and your primary motive is that you expect to get your money back plus a profit after some time or event. 8220Expected profits on capital based on the efforts of others8221 . just to make it simple. A pyramid scheme will require payment for the eligibility to earn commissions, rewards or bonuses that derive primarily from introduction of other participants 8212 from THEIR payments rather than from external sources. It doesn8217t mean that the rewards will need to be directly tied to the act of recruiting other people into the scheme. It doesn8217t mean that everyone will need to pay either, or that 8220free re-entries into the matrix8221 are excluded. Ponzi schemes are fraudulent investment schemes. They will require misrepresentation of the profit source. It doesn8217t really matter whether it8217s about promises of future profits, about 8220phantom profits8221 or about actual profits paid to SOME investors. It means that the Ponzi scheme won8217t really need to 8220steal from Peter to pay Paul8221 . even if that method is a very common one. Craig . If 5SS was indeed just sweet talking Peter to pay Paul then there would cynical foreplanning to rip people off at some point. the pyramid recruitment side of 5SS is doing just that, it is sweet talking Peter to pay Paul, so the 8216rip off8217 element is very much present even if you expect us to ignore the probability of 5SS being a 8216ponzi8217. who are your brokers and are they registered with the SEC as 5SS has been around for an year what is the average ROI earned by investors what proof can you offer for this you cannot expect everyone to take your 8216word8217 on unproved statistics. so, you shall have to accept that the ponzi 8216probability8217 is a real concern of reviewers, and only time will prove which is what. however, the pyramid recruitment scam is obvious from the compensation plan itself, and we can have some 8216finality8217 about the 8216pyramid issue8217 without reliance on third party trading stats. so, how about addressing the pyramid issue I think This discussion makes very clear now that the average ROI8217s like 3-15 per month 5SS aims at, are purely possible result from the personal trading accounts of members and can in not be a ponzi, just like trading in the stock market with personal accounts that retail customers have can not. Oz, I think your pain is in the part that when a bronze member recruits another member, a commission of 12 of the membership fee is payed monthly, in the case of a recruited copper member (who is not an MLM affiliate but only a retail customer that wants to open an account to be able to connect to the strategies of 5SS) around 70 cents. I always learned mlms are only defined as ponzi or pyramid if most of the cash flow results out of the recruitment part, so the initial money or monthly money members pay and is given to other members. But if members 8220recruit8221 far more customers than affiliates, because the product itself is a very wanted value added thing in the market, without the mlm part also very interesting, it is legal. Correct me if I am wrong. M032Norway . Ponzi schemes are fraudulent investment schemes. They will require misrepresentation of the profit source. It doesnt really matter whether its about promises of future profits, about phantom profits or about actual profits paid to SOME investors. 8220promises of future profits8221 Please visit 5starsignalsrisk-disclaimer for full infomation. are fraudulent investment schemes. They will require misrepresentation of the profit source. Exactly. All I am trying to do is have some very basic due diligence done to verify that the chances of us being able to do this when we present results via Myfxbook is extremely slim. Given that investors can watch their trades in real time and have their funds stored under their own name and never accessible for anything other than placing trades renders this impossible. Oz . As per the 5 Star Signals website: Minimum Deposit of 1,000 Additional deposits possible Aiming for approx. 3 gains on average per month Minimum Deposit of 500 Additional deposits possible Aiming for 9-10 gains on average per month Minimum Deposit of 1,000 Additional deposits possible Aiming for 15 gains on average per month with the monthly payments of 27197497, investors will have to make much larger investments than a 1000 to be profitable. for instance an investment of 3000 at an average return of 15 pm, will not even fully cover the monthly autoship of 497. to make any meaningful returns, investors will have to invest much more than 3000 and live with the risk of consecutive monthly losses. but, recruitment commissions will be a 8216no loss8217 method of earning money in 5SS. so, would i choose to take the 497 package and recruit like hell, or would i invest upwards of 6000 and hope to make money from forex trading over a period of 2 years Because, one thing I am very sure we can all agree on, to manipulate clients funds in a Ponzi fashion requires access in some degree to the funds. Under a PAMM model both Peter and Paul are sitting with their hands firmly in their pockets and no one is getting robbed. There may be profits, there may be losses but there is never misrepresentation of such. I have the same question Oz asked you in post 27. Are any of the third-party brokers 5 Star Signals use registered with the SEC (min 12 months) Are any of them registered with the SEC or any other relevant authority (e. g. FINRA) Most of your other arguments will make very little sense if 5SS use an unlicensed broker. If the broker can8217t legally operate in the market, neither can 5SS. 8220Segregated accounts8221 won8217t change that. In any event segregated accounts protect clients funds. If 5SS, any brokerage partners or any of the trading team was to go out of business clients funds would still be held securely and never be used for anything other than trading. Until we clear up that is is beyond any reasonable doubt that this is legitimate trading results there is no point discussing anything else. All I8217d like is a factual review. I just asked a group of 11,000 traders if what we do is remotely possible to be a Ponzi by the way, I will get back to you with the results of that. Craig : Is there a specific reason you do not want me to reference how segregated bank accounts ensure the safety of clients funds regardless if 5SS, broker, trading or all three simultaneously went out of business The only reason will be if the information is meaningless without some other information. I can post a link to Wikipedia for you 8230 Segregated account is a bank account in which a customer8217s funds are held separate from the funds of a brokerage firm. This is done to create a clear separation between the two groups of money so client funds are not used for the wrong purpose, it also helps ensure that the money can be easily identified as belonging to customers in case a firm becomes bankrupt. In many jurisdictions segregated accounts cannot be used to pay creditors during a liquidation and must be returned to the customers directly. In most countries brokerage firms must maintain a segregated account to make sure that the clients money and the firm8217s money is not intermingled and clients funds are not used for operational purposes. Historically, unscrupulous stock brokers have used clients funds for their own use, which often results in the failure of the brokerage with the loss of client funds. Holding a segregated account is some measure to protect against such unscrupulous and fraudulent behaviour, however the effectiveness is limited as segregated accounts are often controlled by the brokerage firms senior management who when under pressure may be tempted to dip into such segregated funds. 8211 8211 8211 8211 en. wikipedia. orgwikiSegregatedaccount So segregated accounts clearly have some limitations. That8217s why we have asked about whether those brokers are registered with and licensed by relevant financial authorities, e. g. SEC or FINRA (or European versions). You have indirectly brought up that question yourself in post 6. We are just about to launch a new brokerage partnership with a broker that has been cleared from the management of Superannuation funds by ASIC We can clearly accept ASIC Australian Securities and Investment Commission . It8217s more difficult to accept 8220about to launch a new brokerage partnership8221 . You should normally have told about existing brokers rather than about vague plans. Mariska van de Langenberg Thank you for paying attention to 5 Star Signals Oz, it is appreciated. I will not repeat what has already been extensively pointed out, that a PAMM model through licensed brokers is impossible for anyone to manipulate. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed, BehindMLM is not an MLM forex opportunity.) It only is possible to trade with these funds. Traders cannot withdraw any funds, only the account holder can, which is the member. As for my past, it didnt require a lot of research as Ive always been very open about that. Unfortunately your article didnt mention my reasons for leaving them. I still have the email (in German) to the CEOs of Bonofa explaining them exactly why I wouldnt connect my name any longer to their company. If you would have researched a little further you would have found that on a regular basis I point out to my Facebook friends why certain (often hyping) opportunities cannot be legit nor sustainable. I tell them not to blindly believe what marketers are claiming about Forex or investment opportunities. Marketers know marketing and most of the times do not understand Forex and related risks. It is because of all the lessons learned that 5 Star Signals was started, to have a real alternative for people. You also seem to assume that any member joining us automatically joins the earning model through our compensation plan. That is a misconception. About half of the people who are joining do not join the partner program, which requires a separate registration. What you call a required auto ship to earn is a membership in which way more value is given than paid for. No forex knowledge is required to start a PAMM account, however we think and recommend everyone to acquire at least basic understanding of Forex trading in order to understand the trades on their accounts. The bronze membership gives access to this part of our education, including weekly analyses on currency pairs. We have traders who opened a PAMM and are quite pleased with the educational part while they know their money is working for them. If you do want to introduce others to 5 Star Signals, having a basic understanding does help, wouldnt you agree No one is paid commissions on the one time only affiliate fees of 10, that would be illegal. The memberships give value AND access to the PAMM strategies we enable our members to participate in. Memberships thus can be seen as self-consumption, which is fully legitimate. You may not be aware, but even our information calls dont go into the partner program, only talk about the productserviceeducation side of our business. Feel free to join one, we have them every Monday night. It also seems you have completely missed our compliance page on the website, which would have answered quite a few of your questions or might have given you some understanding how the business is generating revenues. The biggest revenue stream is paid to us by the broker, not by the members. It is revenue the broker is generating on all trading accounts, PAMM accounts and individual accounts. We have simply negotiated to get a part of THEIR revenues, which we happily share with our partners. Every day the broker is sending the member an overview of all transactions on their account, wins and losses, all transparent. Now, we only operate through licensed broker partners. If asked by authorities we can also show the accounts are traded by fully licensed traders. Stating it all is third party and thus cannot be trusted is a little uneducated statement Oz. We dont collect names, we dont open accounts in the names of our members, we don8217t take their investment funds, we are not forcing them to start a PAMM, we almost force them to understand all risks involved in order for them to make an educated decision on what risk level (and the historical aimed games ON AVERAGE) would best suit them. If we would collect their names, or would take their investment money, or we would open the account for them, then we would need registration with authorities. We do none of that all. They have full access to their funds, their money is not stuck. If youd wanna see the inside of the membership area, drop me a message. Well do a Skype and Ill be happy to screen share with you and give you the grand tour, also through all education, so you can see for yourself its not third party education, it is our very own. Back to our comp plan. Id like to take the opportunity to emphasize we dont pay out most on personal referrals, but on the 2nd level of the matrix. This is to encourage people to work with partners they have personally signed up to ensure they will have proper support in talking with their own contacts. We have chosen for the 1021510 matrix to enforce spillover, which will help less experienced people to benefit from the activities of people who joined before them. In our video about the partner program we tell people exactly why we have chosen this shape. With full research (and a little less assumptions, though understandable) you wouldnt have asked why the 1021510 has been chosen. The fact that it can never be filled doesnt make it unrealistic. Since you keep repeating yourself all through this thread, lets get back on the registration with SEC. Did you know there is a world outside of the US Sure, there is Norway, and Irelandand the Netherlands too (sorry, couldnt resist). 5 Star Signals is giving people investment advice, but is not registered with any securities exchange. This is one area where the reviewer clearly demonstrates that he has not studied 5SS in any depth. Anyone who does so will realize that 5 Star Signals entire business model is carefully built around three absolutely critical pillars of Compliance: a) At no time does 5 Star Signals invest ANY money on behalf of its members 100 of member investing is done between members and their brokers. 5 Star Signals simply provides access to these brokers, who ARE licensed to trade and give investment advice. b) 5 Star Signals does not give any investment advice and trains all of its partners to follow that same prohibition. 5SS provides access to educational resources that allow people to study and make up their own minds about what is appropriate for them. c) Similarly, 5 Star Signals does not make any income claims or guarantees, regarding participation either in our Partner program (networking) OR in investments. The reviewers reference to the Aug. 27 Facebook post is misleading. I have said that 100 of members CAN make money with this program. Not WILL. That is an important distinction. What Ive meant is that, unlike many companies, 5SS has set up a simple, realistic system that lets members make money promoting Forex products (NOT promoting the investments themselves lets be clear). no matter where they may fall in the matrix. So the word can reflects that realistic possibility. NOT a CERTAINTYno such guarantee is ever mentioned. Compliance training for all our partners is mandatory, as we do take that very seriously. As a matter of fact, we had a training call on that topic just last night. (Ozedit: attempt to take discussion offsite removed) A final word: it might be good to understand the difference between binary broker platforms and solid forex brokers. Its a world of difference between the two types. How many of you people would trust a known drug dealer who tells you their new batch isn8217t illegal Ok, now read this again: 8220Further research reveals van de Langenberg (right) was an affiliate of Global One and Bonofa in 2013. Global One initially launched in 2012 as Ultimate Power Profits and sought to capitalize on the Zeek Rewards penny auction Ponzi craze at the time. Following the SEC bust of Zeek Rewards in August 2012, Global One abandoned plans to launch their penny auction Ponzi. The company limped along as a straight recruitment opportunity for another year or so, before collapsing entirely in mid 2013. van de Langenberg stuck with the company till she left it for Bonofa in May 2013. Bonofa affiliates pay a fee to join and then earn commissions by recruiting other affiliates who do the same. The company also ran an unregistered securities points scheme, which was purportedly attached to an IPO offering. Going by their Alexa statistics, Bonofa appears to have collapsed late last year. Van de Langenberg appears to have gotten out as Bonofa went into decline, with 5 Star Signals launching in mid 2014.8221 WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW Geesh I always learned mlms are only defined as ponzi or pyramid if most of the cash flow results out of the recruitment part If the majority of Bronze members are affiliates (and it8217s obvious they are, nobody has yet talked about retail sales and the comp plan requires affiliates to purchase Bronze membership to qualify for commissions), then separating the affiliate fee from Bronze membership is pseudo-compliance. anjali . with the monthly payments of 27197497, investors will have to make much larger investments than a 1000 to be profitable. for instance an investment of 3000at an average return of 15 pm, will not even fully cover the monthly autoship of 497. to make any meaningful returns, investors will have to invest much more than 3000 and live with the risk of consecutive monthly losses. but, recruitment commissions will be a no loss method of earning money in 5SS. so, would i choose to take the 497 package and recruit like hell, or would i invest upwards of 6000 and hope to make money from forex trading over a period of 2 years Thank you for again making a terrific point. To invest the only membership required is 7 a month or 70 for the year. Profitable (based on historic results) on 500. Your point about costs outweighing profits was something we addressed recently when it was non viable with our current investors memberships to make a profit on our lowest investment account size (on low risk). We then slashed the price of this membership 75 to make it viable. To clarify one more time, 197 and 497 levels are training products where we teach people how to trade themselves. This is a retail product with no additional benefits at this membership level for affiliates. Maximum cost for an investor only membership is 84 a year. Under 20 on 500. Hope that clears that up. Segregated accounts and forex PAMM accounts have probably been explained clearly enough. I quoted almost the whole Wikipedia article for segregated account in a post. What people have asked questions about is the brokers. Are they registered and licensed by relevant authorities Relevant authorities seems to beASIC in Australia SEC in the U. S. FINRA in the U. S. (delegated authority, supervised by SEC) FCA in the UK FSA in Japan etc. I will only list a few examples. WIKIPEDIA AS A SOURCE We can deal with this once the post has been corrected to be accurate. I did already reference that one of the brokers we use is used to manage Superannuation funds (ASIC approved for pension funds) Oz . Yeah, everybody is a fan of BehindMLM until we review your opportunity seems you hit another home run since scammers need to run to defend it fast and furious. Hi Mariska, thanks for stopping by. As for my past, it didnt require a lot of research as Ive always been very open about that. Unfortunately your article didnt mention my reasons for leaving them. It8217s easy to leave a scam once you8217ve made your money. Why on Earth did join multiple shady business opportunities in the first place About half of the people who are joining do not join the partner program, which requires a separate registration. How many non-affiliates are paying 197 or 497 a month What is the ratio of Silver and Gold affiliate memberships in terms of membership revenue entering the company each month You can have a 5050 split in memberships but if affiliate revenue (by way of Silver and Gold memberships) dwarfs that of non-affiliates, you have a problem. We dont collect names, we dont open accounts in the names of our members, we dont take their investment funds, we are not forcing them to start a PAMM, we almost force them to understand all risks involved in order for them to make an educated decision on what risk level (and the historical aimed games ON AVERAGE) would best suit them. You solicit 500-1000 investments from your members by advertising up to 15 ROIs on your website. If we would collect their names, or would take their investment money, or we would open the account for them, then we would need registration with authorities. We do none of that all. lets get back on the registration with SEC. Did you know there is a world outside of the US Sure, there is Norway, and Irelandand the Netherlands too (sorry, couldnt resist). So that8217s a no on regulatory registration. And in particular you8217re soliciting US invested funds with an offer of securities, and are not registered with the SEC. I figured as much when Craig danced around the issue ad infinitum. I have said that 100 of members CAN make money with this program. Not WILL. That is an important distinction. No, it isn8217t. It8217s called pseudo-compliance and still constitutes an income guarantee. Sadly it appears that while you might have left some scams over the years, you8217ve retained the marketing tactics typically used to promote them. Income disclaimers mean nothing when you are soliciting investments on the promise of up to 15 ROIs each month. Having a disclaimer (of any kind) doesn8217t negate the solicitation of investment on the promise of 8220aimed8221 ROIs. Income disclaimers mean nothing when you are soliciting investments on the promise of up to 15 ROIs each month. Having a disclaimer (of any kind) doesnt negate the solicitation of investment on the promise of aimed ROIs. You imagine promises and ignore real trading results haha. You are making this look silly now mate. Just making up new things and ignoring clear facts. could you please explain why you have not published my comments regarding funds security in seg accounts or the post of people who are involved in the Forex markets unanimously agreeing that it is impossible (not improbable, impossible) for a Ponzi model to be run. You cannot verify what third parties are doing. Trades might be made but if a broker is running Ponzi on the backend with the majority of funds invested, a trade log on yet another third-party website isn8217t going to disclose that. Furthermore with none of this registered with the SEC, within the context of MLM and investments this is a huge compliance red flag that should not be ignored . You imagine promises and ignore real trading results haha. You are making this look silly now mate. Just making up new things and ignoring clear facts. The only facts relevant here are that 5 Star Signals are soliciting investments from affiliates based on advertised future money predictions of up to 15 a month ROIs. That8217s an investment promise and a securities offering, and 5 Star Signals nor any of their brokers are registered with the SEC. By all means conduct this PAMM stuff outside of MLM. But if you8217ve paired it with an MLM business opportunity 8211 mate crapping on about PAMM and Investopedia doesn8217t matter. MLM has it8217s own set of regulations and, just as you claim I have no idea about PAMM (which is fair enough), you appear to have little appreciation of MLM regulatory requirements. Seeing as this isn8217t a review about PAMM, but rather an MLM business opportunity, readers can make up their own mind as to who is actually relevant here. Continued offtopic derail attempts will be marked as spam. Stay on topic discussing the 5 Star Signals MLM business opportunity. Nobody cares what you and your forex buddies think on some random forex site. Leave that shit over there, we8217re discussing the MLM opportunity here. Oz . The only facts relevant here are that 5 Star Signals are soliciting investments from affiliates based on advertised future money predictions of up to 15 a month ROIs. Thats an investment promise and a securities offering, and 5 Star Signals nor any of their brokers are registered with the SEC. Giving the average historical monthly results and also giving the risk on that risk level. Stop making stuff up mate. You are clearly choosing the words to put in peoples mouths here with 8220promises8221 and such. We make it explicitly clear nothing is assured. There can be wins and losses. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed) If we begin to talk about the real business model and the post is made accurate I can then address your other points. If you are just going to continue with 8220Screw your facts, I have an opinion8221 then I will discontinue this conversation. More than enough evidence has been provided to make an accurate assessment and do due diligence. Aiming for 9-10 gains on average per month Aiming for 15 gains on average per month Those are totally monthly ROI predictions, cut the crap. We make it explicitly clear nothing is assured. In MLM you cannot run around making ROI claims and wipe it away with a disclaimer. This isn8217t the world of shady unregistered forex brokers, this is MLM because 5 Star Signals is an MLM business opportunity. Bloody hell, it8217s not hard to get your head around8230 Like I said, neither you nor 5 Star Signals can guarantee third-party brokers are not running a Ponzi scheme backend while they post a trade log on yet another third-party website. You might be comfortable swallowing what is claimed, but that8217s a weak position to take on due-diligence. Remember, this is all unregulated by design. Why doesn8217t 5 Star Signals engage brokers who are registered with the SEC That is all I have pointed out. You insist this is not possible, which I assert is an extremely naive position to take. Rather what you8217ve read is 8220ZOMG, BEHINDMLM SAID WE ARE A PONZI SCHEME8221 . which was never stated. I don8217t pull the Ponzi trigger unless I8217m sure of it. It was simply raised here as a possibility. Which I maintain is perfect reasonable, given the level of third-party reliance 5 Star Signals have and that neither 5 Star Signals nor the third-party brokers involved appear to be registered with the SEC. Oz : Like I said, neither you nor 5 Star Signals can guarantee third-party brokers are not running a Ponzi scheme backend while they post a trade log on yet another third-party website. Please provide one shred of proof for your theory. I presented Myfxbook verified via investor login password and real results. What have you got Proof Oz, not stabs in the dark opinions. Otherwise you are just here spouting about something you are showing everyone know understands what we are doing you have no idea what you are talking about. (Ozedit: Offtopic forex waffle removed) I presented Myfxbook verified via investor login password and real results. Like I said, posting a trade log on yet another third-party website doesn8217t really have anything to do with running a Ponzi backend. And with none of this regulated, dismissing the potential for Ponzi fraud is irresponsible. You might be comfortable with that, I8217m not and the potential for fraud needs to be pointed out. Especially when you8217re talking about automated pooled trading accounts and when none of this is regulated Why is it I can accept your point of view but you8217re having such trouble with the reverse Without registration with the SEC, soliciting investments on advertised monthly ROI predictions is a huge compliance red flag in MLM . I could not and do not give a stuff about what it means in the world of shady unregistered forex brokers. And on that note, your first reaction to this MLM review was to run off to a forex site and solicit opinion from forex investors. Run the solicitation of investment on the promise of up to 15 monthly ROIs, lack of regulatory registration and chain-recruitment issues past an MLM attorney Didn8217t think so. And I8217ve even reduce that to running it by someone familiar with the MLM industry but, well here we are. (And by MLM attorney I don8217t mean some random law firm in the Netherlands nobody has ever heard of) We can deal with this once the post has been corrected to be accurate. I did already reference that one of the brokers we use is used to manage Superannuation funds (ASIC approved for pension funds) You didn8217t say that in post 6. 8220We are just about to launch a new brokerage partnership8221 normally means that it hasn8217t been launched yet. We are just about to launch a new brokerage partnership with a broker that has been cleared from the management of Superannuation funds by ASIC So my question was relevant enough. Are the current broker-dealers registered with or licensed by relevant authorities, e. g. SEC or FINRA In case they are licensed 8212 in which country or countries You won8217t need to answer the question if you don8217t know the answer. I8217m only trying to clarify something here. M032Norway . You didnt say that in post 6. We are just about to launch a new brokerage partnership normally means that it hasnt been launched yet. So my question was relevant enough. Are the current broker-dealers registered with or licensed by relevant authorities, e. g. SEC or FINRA In case they are licensed in which country or countries You wont need to answer the question if you dont know the answer. Im only trying to clarify something here. Unfortunately Oz is stubbornly sticking to what amounts to a wild conspiracy theory that would involve at 5SS and at least 3 other brokers colluding to present fake results and also duping Myfxbook into presenting these fake results. Until this is cleared up it does not warrant moving onto the next points. One point of clarification though, my comment referring to ASIC in the near future did not mean we use unregulated brokers now. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed) On that new broker we will be launching another trader that makes this one we have now look average. I will be sure to post the verifiable results going forward when we launch it 8211 as we always do. TLDR: Despite the offering of securities, neither 5 Star Signals or the brokers they use are registered with the SEC. 5SS and at least 3 other brokers colluding to present fake results and also duping Myfxbook into presenting these fake results. Numbers on a screen don8217t have to correlate to purported trades. Ditto the actual flow of money on the backend. That8217s a risk you take when you dump funds into unregistered and unregulated blackhole brokers. Failing to acknowledge that is irresponsible due-diligence. Mariska032van032de032Langenberg . (61) I will not repeat what has already been extensively pointed out, that a PAMM model through licensed brokers is impossible for anyone to manipulate. And we have asked about those brokers. You can probably tell us which countries those brokers are licensed in We have asked specifically about broker-dealer license from SEC, FINRA or any other relevant authority. 5 Star Signals is clearly trying to promote itself and the related forex service in the U. S. e. g. you have specific rules indicating that. From the Terms And Conditions 8230 SECTION 3 OPERATING A 5SS BUSINESS 8230 3.2.7 The Federal Trade Commission and the Federal Communications Commission each have laws that restrict telemarketing practices. Both federal agencies (as well as a number of states) have do not call regulations as part of their telemarketing laws. Many countries have these regulations as well. 8211 8211 8211 8211 5starsignalsterms-and-conditions Oz : TLDR: Despite the offering of securities, neither 5 Star Signals or the brokers they use are registered with the SEC. Can you tell me the names of the brokers we use that you have determined are 8220unregistered and unregulated blackhole brokers.8221 please Oz Since you talk about due diligence in the same breath. Can you tell me the names of the brokers we use that you have determined are unregistered and unregulated blackhole brokers. please Oz The names are irrelevant, only that the brokers 5 Star Signals are affiliated with are not registered with the SEC is of significance. If they were, you8217d have provided the relevant information 88 comments ago. (Ozedit: Unless you8217re going to provide information pertaining to the brokers 5 Star Signals uses being registered with the SEC, stop posting spammy comments.) We have 3 brokers, all from different parts of the world, all under different regulations and all displaying the exact same results. Care to explain how this would be remotely possible under your theory of Ponzi play We have 3 brokers, all from different parts of the world, all under different regulations and all displaying the exact same results. Which regulations Which regulatory agencies are these brokers registered with None of them appear to be registered with the SEC, or you8217d have readily provided the information. Care to explain how this would be remotely possible under your theory of Ponzi play Not until you transition from vague marketing statements to actual regulatory registration details, see above. (Ozedit: Right. Anything further from you that does not disclose the requested regulatory registration details will be marked as spam.) Craig is wasting my time dancing around the fact that neither 5 Star Signals or their brokers are registered with the SEC (or any other securities regulator for that matter). This is an issue because both 5 Star Signals and the brokers they use are offering securities to 5 Star Signals affiliates. It also opens the door for fraud (Ponzi or otherwise), because shady brokers operating in unregulated environments is a recipe for disaster. Failure to acknowledge that is failure in adequate due-diligence, which within the context of today8217s MLM business opportunity landscape, is not an option. Especially when this particular opportunity is advertising monthly ROIs of up to 15 on its website. Pending regulatory registration details from Craig (or 5 Star Signals), that8217s that. Craig : We have 3 brokers, all from different parts of the world, all under different regulations and all displaying the exact same results. Just forget it. You don8217t seem to be able to answer it anyway. Mariska can probably try to answer it. Both of you claim the brokers are licensed, but both of you have been very vague about details. From Mariska8217s post 61 8230 Every day the broker is sending the member an overview of all transactions on their account, wins and losses, all transparent. Now, we only operate through licensed broker partners. If asked by authorities we can also show the accounts are traded by fully licensed traders. Craig : Care to explain how this would be remotely possible under your theory of Ponzi play I8217m not sure what you8217re talking about there I haven8217t had time to focus on any theories yet. To clarify something here, I8217m looking into this 5 Star Signals topic for the first time, so I have mostly asked questions. But I have also added some sources to look at. I am into forex for about 6 years now. Forex is a difficult market to earn money unless you have the education to do this in a proper way. I am making money in forex and I can live from that money but to earn my money it takes a lot of my time. I was always looking for a way to make it easier for me and stumbled upon Pamm accounts. 5StarSignals presented their strategies and I started my own investigation on them. Myfxbook is a fully respected and independent, company where people who manage forex accounts can attach their accounts to and then show the real results to the world. This is what 5StarSIgnals did and to be honest, I am really impressed. I allready know who the brokers are that they are dealing with as that is not such a big secret when you do a little investigation and must say that those brokers are topnotch, so I don8217t really see what your problem is with 5StarSignals. They offer people the possibility to join for only 7 a month (a normal bankaccount costs more a month) and people can get access to all their strategies. If people want to built a business (and get access to the pamms) they can look for other interested people. People that want to learn more about how to trade for themselves can join a higher level (silver or gold). As a forex trader for 6 years I don8217t understand the fuzz you are making about this company, in my opinion it is fully legal and thanks to this complete story I am going to start with an account with them With all due respect, dumping funds in 5 Star Signals on the expectation of advertised monthly ROI projections is not 8220education8221. Nor is it a 8220strategy8221. It8217s a securities offering that should be regulated by appropriate securities regulators, namely the SEC in the US. not a securities regulator and are thus irrelevant. I allready know who the brokers are that they are dealing with Are any of them registered with the SEC or at the very least a securities regulator in any jurisdiction I dont really see what your problem is with 5StarSignals. Of course not. You8217re making money and you8217re here to defend that. People with vested financial interests typically make the worst reviewers. in my opinion it is fully legal and thanks to this complete story I am going to start with an account with them. Best of luck. We provide information and what you do with it is up to you. Nada mais nada menos. Oz: Myfxbook is not a securities regulator and are thus irrelevant. Myfxbook is independant and is highly respected in the forex world, ghis is more relevant than people sitting behind a desk thinking they know what they are talking about Oz: Are any of them registered with the SEC or at the very least a securities regulator in any jurisdiction Yes they are, SEC is not relevant, that8217s only US. But they have regulations like SEC from many countries Oz: Of course not. Youre making money and youre here to defend that. People with vested financial interests typically make the worst reviewers. Again you are a bad reader. I don8217t have an account with 5StarSignals yet, but am impressed by their results, so I am going to open an account with them Untill now I was making money myself but that takes a lot of time, for only 7 a month this is heaven for all traders Oz: Best of luck. We provide information and what you do with it is up to you. Nothing more, nothing less not a securities regulator and are therefore irrelevant. Who is registered with who then Why is obtaining this information from 5 Star Signals and their affiliates akin to drawing blood from a stone SEC is not relevant, thats only US. But they have regulations like SEC from many countries 1. Has 5 Star Signals accepted funds from US investors If so the SEC are entirely relevant. 2. What regulators Which countries I dont have an account with 5StarSignals yet, but am impressed by their results, so I am going to open an account with them And in doing so demonstrate a lack of regard for proper regulatory registrations. Like I said, you make money this way and are defending it. That8217s fine, but let8217s not pretend you8217re being objective about it. You8217re here to defend making money in unregistered securities. one of the brokers 5SS uses is Tallinex. on oct 3rd,2015 mariska langenberg commented on FB: Mariska van de Langenberg: Already available on Tallinex from tallinex FAQ: Is Tallinex regulated The Financial Services Authority (FSA) in St Vincent and the Grenadines is responsible for ensuring that Tallinex complies with its obligations under the IBC Act. A FSA impõe práticas comerciais rigorosas iguais ou superiores às exigências dos reguladores de serviços financeiros em outros países. but here is what the FSA of 8216st vincent and the gredadines8217 has to say about IBC8217s international business companies which are engaging in forex trading and brokerage: Financial Services Authority st vincentampgrenadine 5th June, 2014 The Financial Services Authority (the Authority) wishes to advise that it does not Regulate, Monitor or Supervise International Business Companies (IBCs) which engage in FOREX Trading or Brokerage. Statements of this nature are a misrepresentation of the Authoritys supervisory powers with respect to IBCs. The Authority does not approve or sanction the business activities of IBCs upon their incorporation. The extent of supervision of IBCs goes no further than to ensure that IBCs comply with their obligations under the International Business Companies Act. The Authority also does not license the activity of FOREX Trading or Brokerage and any IBC purporting to be licensed by the Authority to conduct this business activity is making a false statement no wonder craig and mariska are taking everyone for a wild ride around and round the mulberry bush. they can hadly tell you about their 8216brokers8217 and their 8216shifty8217 registrations. tallinex is a scammy broker with no registration for forex trading, and on top of that it provides accounts to US citizens. good luck to 5SS investors trying to get their investments or earnings back from tallinex. SteveT : I see this conversation has rumbled on and on creating tons of fresh content for your website. Most of my posts were 8220necessary research8221. It8217s the first time I8217m looking into a forex based MLM. I tried first to get some answers from Craig about broker-dealer licenses (countries), but I only got vague answers. In the U. S. the opportunity part of 5SS will probably be seen as a pyramid scheme 8212 not even a product based one. It doesn8217t really matter that 5SS have some 8220customers8221, since the product (forex) can8217t legally be sold in the U. S. 8212 if I interpreted the SEC warning correctly. I haven8217t come to any conclusion about Ponzi scheme. They do exist in forex trading, but they are not the most common solution if organizers want to make a profit 8212 there8217s many other methods available there. Some of the videos targeted specific groups of people, e. g. 5SS was presented as a solution to save up a retirement fund or to finance college education 8212 8220plan for the future8221 marketing. That8217s relatively 8220predatory marketing8221. 5 Stars Signals use methods that are more common in frauds than in normal business. There8217s simply too many red flags here. I8217m not very eager to reflect some 8220forex world ideas8221, e. g. the idea that 8220the other ones are worse8221 . I8217m pretty sure there8217s many bad forex programs out there, but it doesn8217t make this one any better. 8211 8211 8211 8211 BTW, here8217s another link, 8220Binary Option Scams8221. The website seems to be promotional, but it does offer some relevant information about how investors can be tricked. Craig . Can you tell me the names of the brokers we use that you have determined are unregistered and unregulated blackhole brokers. please Oz well, we found one broker called tallinex, who is not registered for forex trading anywhere. then we8217re waiting patiently for langenberg and craig to explain themselves. but, langenberg and craig have conveniently run away. running away like this will not inspire any confidence in their investors. with a caribbean island business like tallinex, which is not registered as a forex trader anywhere, which is investing the money of US citizens without US SEC registration, there are solid grounds for suspecting a 8216ponzi scheme8217 in 5SS. langenberg and craig are no longer in a position to Insist that we all concur with them, about 5SS Definitely Not being a ponzi scheme. now langenberg and craig must come back here and provide answers for the 8216pyramid scheme8217 they are also running in 5SS. they barged in here with the loud confidence of liars, and promptly ran away when we turned on the heat. do people really want to invest any money with 5SS who8217s CEO mariska langenberg and trade analyst craig, cannot stand their ground and complete the discussion in response to the butt kicks 5SS is receiving here, and on FB, craig walters started an FB conversation with 5SS affiliates, about their experience with the company. has the company misrepresented anything have you been forced to recruit do you think 5SS is a ponzi do you hate 5SS even though you had losses in short, meaningless questions, with a handful of faithfuls going gaga. no serious questions about who the brokers of 5SS are, and their registration. no clarification on the recruitment commissions paid out on the monthly autoship. a commentator on craig walters FB, mentioned the name of hotforex, who claim to be forex traders registered with the FSC mauritius. 5SS investor:If people think this is a ponzi, then id like them to show me8230all ive done is open an account with Hotforex and traded using 5 Star Signals Strategies8230 that doesnt speak of ponzi to me hotforex claims it is registered under the name of HF markets limited with the FSC mauritius under section 2-1B: HF Markets Limited, has a Category 1 Global Business License issued by the Financial Services Commission (FSC) of the Republic of Mauritius under the name of HF Markets Limited. well, i tried searching for 8216HF Markets Limited8217and 8216HF Markets LTD8217 in the FSC mauritius public registry and it did not show up. Activity: Section 2-1.B Investment Dealer (Full Service Dealer Excluding Underwriting) Name: HF Markets Limited No Records Found can someone else also try looking for the registration of HF Markets Limited with the FSC mauritius, to ensure i have not made an error we have already established that one broker of 5SS ie 8216tallinex8217 is not registered to do forex trading in the caribbean island of st vincentampgrenadine. lets check hotforex out anjali . (some idiots on FB asked) has the company misrepresented anything have you been forced to recruit do you think 5SS is a ponzi do you hate 5SS even though you had losses Do people in the Matrix know they8217re in the Matrix Is asking potential victims of a fraud 8220are you a victim8221 even logical anjali : hotforex claims it is registered under the name of HF markets limited with the FSC mauritius under section 2-1B: It showed a license from April 20 2010 . So it doesn8217t really mean anything. It doesn8217t even meet the requirements in the Conditions. looks like mariska made an explanation about it: Recently we were made aware of an article that had appeared on a website which discussed 5 Star Signals. The individual came to us to raise concerns that 5SS had been implied to be a Ponzi scam. The 5SS team is very used to dealing with such misconceptions and upon hearing about the post, Craig, who oversees the trading department of 5SS went over to clear things up. That article wasn8217t written by van de Langenberg: We are very proud of our CEO not despite of her previous endeavors but because of them. It8217s Craig Walters who I spam-binned him here because he couldn8217t provide details about 5 Star Signals regulatory registrations . Nor that of the third-party brokers they use. After a hundred or so comments of him dodging the issue and providing strawman arguments about some forex website, enough was enough. From the points raised in the article: Mariska van de Langenberg joined various scams. These weren8217t legit businesses that somehow turned scam, they were outright fraudulent businesses from the beginning 8211 and van de Langenberg was attracted to them as an MLM marketer. Leaving after she8217d made money and they were in decline isn8217t commendable. The least van de Langenberg can do is own her past, instead of trying to justify it as 8220it could have happened to anyone8221. 5SS offer Forex training forums Who is paying hundreds of dollars a month to access to a forum populated with third-party information, without the attached passive investment business opportunity Gold 497 a month The first rule about the gold forum is, you do not talk about the gold forum. With a mixture of it being hard to explain and also not wanting to disclose too much we will not give any details about what goes on in the gold forum Right8230 nothing scammy going on there. And what a pitch for retail customers8230 It8217s obvious only passive investor affiliates are going to cough up 450 a month to participate in what is obviously not compliant activity 5 Star Signals are pushing in their Gold forum. Thus the majority of funds entering 5 Star Signals are affiliate-sourced, making it a pyramid scheme that pays on affiliate recruitment. The rest of it is Craig Walters8217 strawman arguments I marked as spam here. And rightly so, seeing as they don8217t address the lack of regulatory registration (important because securities are offered to affiliates) and recruitment-centric compensation plan. The red flags here are too numerous and it8217s basically begging for a regulatory shutdown. 497 a month for access to 8216winkwinknudgenudge nothing illegal going on here8217 content, a CEO with a fraud-riddled past and securities being offered with no regulatory registration anywhere on the planet Welcome to the MLM underbelly. may I suggest to have a call with her on Skype and have a look behind the screens. You can go on and on and start repeating it while you can easily make a call, talk about it, get some more behind the screen information and hopefully get some real facts on table. Stop making all kinds of accusations while blocking the people defending their business. There is no reason to take the discussion offsite. Either 5 Star Signals is registered with the SEC or they are offering unregistered securities to US citizens. It8217s that simple. And skirting the securities registration issue with nonsense about third-party forex websites isn8217t 8220defending a business8221, it8217s wasting mine and my reader8217s time. Either cough up the SEC registration documents or stop posting spam. That8217s pretty simple too. Who is Craig Walters, anyway I see no evidence of him existing on the internet aside from Facebook and a pinch of forex forums, and his trading background is sketchy at best. No pictures of himself, no proof that he8217s even real. I think this guy might be cat fishing us, and maybe the company itself. Just like the mysterious Marie Shaw probably was before she 8220passed8221 after losing a substantial amount of money in the PAMM accounts she was managing herself and deleting any trace of herself from the internet that she could. I want to see a background check on this supposed forex expert next and maybe even a real name for a change. Walters is some guy in Europe who8217s new to the MLM industry and believes he8217s above regulatory compliance. That8217s pretty much the impression I8217m getting. Seems to me he8217s new to forex as well. It also might be worth looking into what kind of money the company is making off being a middle man between actual traders. 5 Star Signals is absolutely making money off the investments going into these PAMM accounts, or why else do it In the past they8217ve also definitely offered investment advice based on 8220signals8221 to trade specific currency sets, as I8217m sure they are still doing in these forums they are so mysterious about, hence the 8220Signals8221 part of the company name. There8217s no way this is legal. Andreas . may I suggest to have a call with her on Skype and have a look behind the screens. no one is asking for any 8216secret8217 information that can only be divulged via 8216secrety8217 skype calls. why cannot mariska langenberg and craig walters provide clarifications right here this invitation for person to person skype chats is a scammers excuse, to deflect blame on another party 8211 oh, we were ready to explain ourselves but oz didn8217t cooperate c8217mon buddy, explain yourself Here or the 8216scammer8217 label sticks clementine : Who is Craig Walters, anyway I see no evidence of him existing on the internet aside from Facebook and a pinch of forex forums, and his trading background is sketchy at best. He8217s the voice in some of the videos (post 103). 5SS is under no regulations at all. It is important to understand anything you do off of the 5starsignals or 5ssforex are not business transactions with 5SS. We sell memberships, we teach trading, we link with (the best) FX traders. Regulations are on financial advice and accepting investment. the above quote is by craig walters in his 8216rebuke-to-behindmlm-review-on-5-star-signals8217 published on the 5SS website. 5SS may not be trading themselves, but they are soliciting investments under their management, advising clients to tie up to 8216particular8217 forex traders they have selected, and are receiving commissions from the forex traders on their clients investments. this makes 5SS a 8216investment advisor8217 which the SEC USA defines as: Definition of Investment Adviser Section 202(a)(11) of the Act defines an investment adviser as any person or firm that: 1 for compensation 2 is engaged in the business of 3 providing advice to others or issuing reports or analyses regarding securities. 1 5SS receives commissions from the brokers appointed by them: craig walters: We make additional revenues by referring business to other entities craig walters: Lot of people expect we must take a front end fee on your investment. We could, we don8217t. This is very important since it is the difference between us making money if we mislead people or not. If we done this, any investments, we8217d be paid on. Since we do not, we do not make any decent money until we have made you money. as far as i understand, 5SS takes money from the brokers on trades, and also takes money on profitable trades of their clients. this is a 8216double dip8217 so 5SS is receiving 8216compensation8217, thus satisfying point 1 of the SEC definition of 8216investment adviser8217. 2 is engaged in the business of8230 5SS is clearly 8216engaged8217 in the 8216business8217 as evidenced by its interactive website soliciting clients to forex trade via third party forex traders 8216selected8217 by themselves through 8216links8217 provided by 5SS. 3 providing advice to others or issuing reports or analyses regarding securities. this is how the SEC defined 8216advice8217: Advice about Securities. A person clearly meets the third element of the statutory test if he provides advice to others about specific securities, such as stocks, bonds, mutual funds, limited partnerships, and commodity pools. The more difficult questions arise with less specific advice, or advice that is only indirectly about securities. The SEC staff has stated in this regard: (i) advice about market trends is advice about securities (ii) advice about the selection and retention of other advisers is advice about securities (iii) advice about the advantages of investing in securities versus other types of investments (e. g. coins or real estate) is advice about securities (iv) providing a selective list of securities is advice about securities even if no advice is provided as to any one security and (v) asset allocation advice is advice about securities. 5SS discuses market trends, links it8217s clients to particular brokers, provides strategies for trading training, and provides 8216options8217 asset allocation for investing by advising allocation of particular amounts of funds under different risk ratios 8211 all this safely dumps 5SS in the 8216investment adviser8217 category. thus, craig walter8217s arguments that 5SS is not obliged to be 8216regulated8217 at all is bunkum. further the SEC states: A non-U. S. adviser giving advice to U. S. persons must register with the SEC 5SS which is registered in ireland, cannot solicit US clients without an SEC registration. further 5SS brokers cannot accept US clients without SEC registration. at least two brokers of 5SS 8216tallinex8217 and 8216hotforex8217 are lying about their registrations for forex trading. their trade accounts are not audited by financial firms to ensure that the client PAMM accounts are secure. who knows what goes on in these bottom of the barrel, blackhole, unregistered, unregulated forex traders craig walters refuses to answer questions about the legality of 5SS brokers. he asks people to depend on third party review sites and the clients own due diligence. so if clients lose their money via 5SS it will be 8216their own fault8217. SEC: Section 202(a)(11) of the Act defines an investment adviser as any person or firm that: 1 for compensation 2 is engaged in the business of 3 providing advice to others or issuing reports or analyses regarding securities. i would like to further clarify the SEC8217s stand on 8216compensation8217 so that craig walters does not invent some wiggle room to misguide 5SS investors: The term compensation has been broadly construed. Generally, the receipt of any economic benefit, whether in the form of an advisory fee, some other fee relating to the total services rendered, a commission, or some combination, satisfies this element. The person receiving the advice or another person may pay the compensation. 5SS sells memberships which enables clients to invest with forex traders. 5SS earns on these memberships. hence 5SS receives 8216some other fee relating to the total services rendered8217. further, 5SS receives compensation from the brokers it refers clients to via links, hence though clients may not directly pay 5SS, it is getting commissions ie 8216another person may pay the compensation8217. craig walters must explain all this to us. it does not matter whether amsterdam is in norway or the netherlands. stay relevant. aw, these 5SS people are laughing at us, ie oz and commentators on this thread, for not knowing enough about forex trading: craig walters: It is a group of bloggers sitting about talking about Forex, confusing it with Binary options and refusing the offer of educational resources to get up to speed. cut the crap walters, no one wants to discuss forex trading with you. - why 5SS is not registered with the SEC, but is still offering its services in the USA. if you guys are as honest as you claim to be, why not register - why 5SS brokers are not registered with the SEC or anywhere else in the world. also, name all your brokers, don8217t be secretive. - why 5SS is not a pyramid scheme. lumping a product forex training with self qualifying monthly autoship and commissions is Illegal. dont give me the BS about people having to pay a onetime 10 fee to become affiliates. there is ONLY a one time 10 difference in being a retail customer or an affiliate, and such psuedo compliance BS will never stand before the SEC or a court. 5SS has no retail margin to encourage retail. if 5SS wants to indulge in MLM underbelly business and expect their clients to accept those risks, it8217s fine, it8217s your head on the chopping board. but, do not claim legitimacy and misguide people. even scammers should scam honestly why cannot mariska langenberg and craig walters provide clarifications right here Yeah right If you block them the case is closed I guess, end of discussion for them. why cannot mariska langenberg and craig walters provide clarifications right here Walters refused to provide regulatory registration information for 5 Star Signals or their third-party brokers. Rather than concede a lack of regulatory registration, he kept publishing offtopic information about third-party forex websites. This I marked as spam, along with any other derail attempt comments he left. I don8217t recall removing anything from Langenberg. She published the one comment and did a runner. Andreas : why cannot mariska langenberg and craig walters provide clarifications right here Yeah right If you block them the case is closed I guess, end of discussion for them. he had 31 chances and she had one and only chose to post a long winded scammer screed which is what they do instead of addressing the facts. they failed miserably. All they had to do is answer one simple question and provide proof. though i could not find hotforex registered with the mauritius FSC, it is registered with the cypriot SEC CySEC. hotforex was illegally providing accounts to US citizens, but was stopped from doing this in mid 2012. an email sent out by hotforex to US clients stated: Even though HotForex does not have any offices andor operations in the U. S. and does not engage in the solicitation of clients it was communicated to us that the CFTC does not allow us to offer our services on a cross-border basis to U. S. clients. Therefore, it is with great regret to inform you that HotForex will no longer be offering its services to new or existing U. S. clients it appears the FSC mauritius was twisting hotforex8217s arm: Any positions left open will be closed at the prevailing market price at that time and all pending orders will be deleted. Please note that the deadline may change if it is necessitated by our regulators, the Financial Services Commission in Mauritius. this implies hotforex WAS registered with the mauritius FSC in the past. but, it does not show up in the mauritius FSC registry anymore now its time for the CFTC to stop tallinex from illegally accepting US clients. There has been a lot of adverse comments here about 5 Star Signals, so to set the record straight I shall share some of my results. I8217ve not recruited or sponsored anyone, so I don8217t get an income from there. However the trades that have been placed have overall made a profit for my account 8211 1.83 yesterday. That8217s far better than many UK banks offer savers for a year, and so I8217m quite happy with the service I8217m getting. Yes some trades lose while others win. That8217s the nature of forex. The trick is ensuring your winnings are greater than the losses. 5SS is doing that well. Regards to comments about the brokers used being registered, I8217m based in the UK so the SEC isn8217t relevant to me. HF Markets is registered with the UK8217s Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), and so I have the reassurance that all is above board. If you want to attack something that is an all-out scam, then go for the binary option robot sellers. They 8216give8217 people a free robot tool that has to link in with their chosen unregulated broker. The binary options they chose are a 5050 toss of a coin, and the 8216robots8217 have no risk management functions by and large. It8217s only a matter of time before your trading account has been drained, yet the people offering the scheme have been paid a commission by the broker. I8217m sufficiently clued up with trading to see that8217s not happening at 5SS For a matter of balance I shall post my results here week in, week out and let the readers judge for themselves whether this is a scam or not. Ive not recruited or sponsored anyone, so I dont get an income from there. However the trades that have been placed have overall made a profit for my account You dumped funds in 5SS or through them, on the expectation of a passive ROI. That8217s a security and 5SS are not registered with a securities regulatory anywhere in the world (AFAIK). Craig and Mariska havent gone silent. Theyre just not wasting their time on a bunch of losers. Dean Black (Craig Walters doesn8217t exist) and Mariska have both abandoned their Facebook accounts. Both were otherwise posting multiple times a week before the 5 Star Signals fraud was made public. I8217d be pretty ashamed too if I8217d launched an MLM company built on lies. MLM Broken Model SteveT seems like an honest type of guy. He even posts his real name and thus identifies himself for all to see. There can8217t be that many Steve T8217s in the world, right Could SteveT be Mariska or Dean No82308230say it ain8217t so I just checked and neither Dean nor Mariska has posted ANYTHING on their Facebook pages since they were BUSTED by Oz. The truth will set you free. Well, maybe not for some. Right, SteveT The Financial Services Authority (FSA) in St Vincent and the Grenadines is responsible for ensuring that Tallinex complies with its obligations under the IBC Act. A FSA impõe práticas comerciais rigorosas iguais ou superiores às exigências dos reguladores de serviços financeiros em outros países. the svgfsa financial services authority of st vincent and grenadine has finally responded to my email, CONFIRMING that tallinex is NOT regulated for its Forex Trade. thus people trusting tallinex as their forex trader are Not Protected in any way, as no regulatory authority is keeping tabs on their forex business. Your email in relation to the captioned matter is acknowledged. Tallinex is a Registered International Business Company within the State of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. The FSA ensures that it complies with its necessary statutory obligations under the International Business Companies (Amendment and Consolidation) Act. Please be advised that the FSA does not regulate, monitor or supervise FOREX Trading. An IBC incorporated in SVG is authorised to engage in any business activity without additional approval from the FSA, except where its proposed business activity amounts to banking, insurance or mutual fund business, as these activities are licensed activities. The FSA has taken the position that until such time that appropriate legislation is put in place to address FOREX activities there is no prohibition against an IBC carrying out that activity. It is reiterated however that the FSA does not regulate FOREX Trading. Legal Officer (Ag) Financial Services Authority St. Vincent and the Grenadines Thank you MLM Broken Model. I am an honest type of guy8230 the T stands for Thomas by the way. What8217s your true name by the way As regards US law, which is where most of your securities arguments seem to originate, I8217m not governed by them so as I said before the SEC has no bearing on me at all. All I can see is that I have a forex trading account held with a regulated broker that8217s making a profit. Fim da história. BTW, Mariska and DeanCraig are still very much active on FB. SteveT . BTW, Mariska and DeanCraig are still very much active on FB mariska langenberg is back on FB showing off about 5SS forex broker tallinex, which is Not regulated for forex trading anywhere in the world. deancraig is understandably still absent. who knows what avatar he will appear in right, steve T T for thomas it doesn8217t matter if T stands for thomas or tinkerbell, as long as your8217e not asking people to invest money based on your internet persona like deancraig. mariska langenberg is back on FB showing off about 5SS forex broker tallinex, which is Not regulated for forex trading anywhere in the world. i recd a second mail dt:5nov2015 from the svgfsa, further clarifying their position on tallinex forex traders, through which 5 star signals offers forex accounts to US citizens: I write further to your emails sent in October, 2015 and wish to advise that the company you stated, Tallinex Limited is an International Business Company (IBC) registered with the Financial Services Authority of St. Vincent and the Grenadines (FSA). Please be advised that an IBC is authorised to engage in any business activity without additional approval from the FSA, except where its proposed business activity amounts to banking, insurance or mutual fund business, as these activities are licensed FSA activities. Until such time that appropriate legislation is put in place to address forex activities, there is no prohibition against an IBC carrying out that activity or from so stating in its Articles of Incorporation. It is however advised that IBCs which do carry on this activity take the necessary steps to ensure that they obtain the required authorization from the jurisdictions wherein they actually conduct the forex activity. For example, both the USA and Canada require all forex companies who solicit business from citizens of those countries to be registered licensed in the USA or Canada respectively. Please be advised further that Tallinex Ltd which engaged in forex trading activities has been doing so at its own risk, or at the risk of the jurisdiction where it obtained authorization to conduct such business as it is not regulated by the FSA. This is essentially the Warning on the FSAs website, and I observe that you have included a part of same in your e-mail. The FSA will also post a warning singling out this IBC on its website soon. If there are any investors experiencing difficulties that you are aware please advise them to forward their complaint to the FSA with all the details of the nature of the problem so assistance can be given on this end. They are also advised to contact the relevant Authority overseas which licensed Tallinex Ltd to conduct forex business and report your complaint. so, the svgfsa will soon carry a warning specifically addressing tallinex. and, we know that tallinex is operating illegally, in at least the US and canada. i wonder how many countries allow IBC8217s registered in 8216st vincent and grenadines8217 to collect money from their citizens for high risk forex trading. Deixe uma resposta.
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